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Hmmmm , I need a bit of help here. Where exactly does it say in the constitution that foodstamps and individual welfare is a right??? I believe it to is a privilege granted by the States and Federal Government out of the kindness of their hearts and the pockets of hardworking taxpayers.

I never claimed food stamps or welfare is a "right." My point is that we have evolved to a point where they are part of our society. We can argue all day long on whether or not they should even exist. We're past that point. In reality, they do exist and the law of unintended consequsnces has kick-in full force. You (and I) can make a compelling case that the welfare system may have put a few meals on tables but it has created a full blown disaster, in terms of long term dependence, by a whole class of people. We're on the same page there.

I think where we part ways is when you pretend that we can just pull the plug and it solves the problem. My contention is that it not only does not solve a single problem, it creates a few more. If you think it will be cheaper in the long run to simply put the children of any person using drugs into foster care or make them wards of the state, we're really far apart. I can only assume you know very little about the foster care program and what it takes for the state to take full control of a child. We would need thousands of more government employees and millions upon millions more funding. And what, pray tell, do you think becomes of a man or woman that has had their kids taken away and their funds cut off? Where do they end up and are we a better society for it? And who pays for it when they end up in a mental institution, hospital or prison? What about the inevitable crime victims that are created as they try to get money, any way they can?

I would just like for one person that support this idiocy to walk me through the whole scenario, when the food stamps and welfare checks are cut off and the kids are removed. And for anyone that tries, plese don't stop short, because the story doesn't end with cutting them off and taking the kids. Explain to me what happens with the adult that has been cut off? My contention is that 90%+ will end up costing us far more than the welfare check and food stamps they are getting now and that doesn't even take into consideration the cost of dealing with the kids. And please don't forget them. Putting a child in foster care, increases their odds of living a life of crime, unwanted pregancy, getting abused, dropping out of school, etc... significantly.

And don't even get me started on the death penalty...

I guess my biggest problem with a lot of people that call themselves consevatives and grunt "Yeah.." when they support things like this (and the death penalty) is that they don't base their positions in reality. They tend to base their positions on some fantasy world where a person can be put to death in 3 months, if the evidence appears to be cut and dry (reminder, that is why many left the old world to come here). Or a world where "We shouldn't even have welfare anyway..." Well, guess what? We can't put people to death without exhaustive appeals to make sure it is correct (see the number of people on death row that have been set free after DNA shows they could not have been the killer). We can't pretned welfare doesn't exist. Live in reality and support solutions that can actually work...

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