I've tried to like Shiner, lots of times. They've got some good-sounding beer styles and every year or so I'll buy a sixer of one of theirs, hoping for the best. Nope, I always get disappointed.

What it is, I think, is that when we started our homebrew shop in the early 80's a lot of our customers were making "Prohibition-style" homebrew - one can of hopped malt extract, five cups of sugar, a pack of Red Star yeast, and let 'er rip!

Hate to say, the Shiner beers all remind me of those - they hit the sugar bowl 'way too hard!