put aside your racially motivated remarks for a second, there is nothing I have said that makes an Indian any more noble than anyone else, meet a damn white settler from back then, I'm sure you'd want to spend time with their smelly ass as well.

It is historical fact, dumbender that the native people of America managed the lands around them.

Ozark, your idea that it was constant wars is also off the historical mark, there were wars no doubt, but the various tribes traded with each other, which probably led to some of the wars, no different than the wars we had over trade.

Now as to politically correct, the only difference between the natives and the settlers was a technology gap and what each held as religious beliefs and of course our ability to hand out smallpox blankets.

"As far as Indians "taking care" of the land - they didn't take care of chit."--Ozark

the historical accuracy of that comment is undeniably off the mark.

yeah they exploited the resources and they fashioned their forests so they could produce for them by using fire.

We know what a forest left to itself will do, it will become overgrown, the forests weren't overgrown in the west when we arrived. Photos prove this over and over.

well instead of arguing with a couple of idiots who think white man was the only man capable of human intellect, I think I'll continue to revel in the fact that Hellbender is nothing but a tired old liberal who thought he was a conservative all along and Ozark is a man who is incapable of understanding chit when it comes to someone of another skin tone.

I find it amusing that Ozark would argue against the use of a natural resource solely based on his prejudicial views of another culture, and there's enough irony in his views when juxtaposed with his current views on alien invaders that he would hold such a dim light on the first set of people who were overrun by border crossers.

Thin the forests jackasses, that's the argument and you two have aligned yourself with envirowhackos, politics makes strange bed fellows, well enjoy the fukking bed that you have made.