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Can't believe I'm starting this thread but what the hell.....for the first time in a decade I might actually pay some attention to this team before August.
I'm curious...will Walker jump the prospects in front of him and make a run for ROY?
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So here's my take... I think they will win between 70 and 98 games.  I think punk-arse Flaherty will have some good outings and get hurt. He'll also let us know how we should think about political and social issues. Even if he wins a Cy Young, I'll still dislike him. Goldschmidt and Arenado are both studs and class acts. Maybe their ways will rub off on the SJW. I would not be surprised to see both of them have MVP type years again. Contreras is a stud. Let's hope he handles the pitching staff well and plays solid behind the plate. Anything over .250 at the plate is a bonus. If Walker wins ROY and they get moderately good production out of the other four or five outfielders (I look for O'Neil to get traded), they will be a force to be reckoned with.
At the end of the day, the pitching staff will determine if they can get in and go deep into the playoffs. Let's see how they hold up and if Ollie has figured out how to use them. My guess he will be better than he was in the playoffs, then again, that's a pretty low bar. I suspect he will use metrics too much and cost them more than he helps them. I hope I'm wrong, but that's what he's shown us to date...
I'm putting down a cool $20 for them to win it all... 
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The starting pitching is healthy and if they perform how they are capable, can get us deep into the playoffs. Miles is a great pitcher with few walks. Flaherty is the typical communist California attitude, but dude can pitch. Montgomery and Waino, with the other guys are solid in the rotation. Walker is making it known he wants to stay in the Bigs and I think he is the real deal.
Masyn Winn can take over short if we have issues there, but I don't think he is fully ready. Plus Edmond is now holding down that spot, and we should lock him up long term if he has a great season. Moises Gomez can crush the ball, but I wonder if he can handle big league pitching day after day. Maybe he stays if his spring is a big one. DeJong will be a drag on payroll. Great guy, but his time has come to pass with us. Its time to move on from him. Tommy Edman is the SS full time and keep him there. Donovan and Gorman need to step it up and I think Donovan has the better shot at winning the 2B starter spot. Let them fight it out. Gorman can DH too, if he can keep down on the K's.
Yepez, Gorman, O'Neil, Walker could all be used as a DH. Yepez can give Goldy time off at 1B, and we have a mix of Carlson, O'Neil, Walker, and Noot in the outfield. All the hype and chit they put on Machado Mashito in San Diego will only motivated Arenado more. Manny's trophy case is empty due to Arenado. Everyone gives the hype to Machado, and he is the 2nd or 3rd best in the NL at 3rd base. Its not even close. Machado can't wash Arenado's jockstrap let alone wear it. Goldy is Goldy. Solid year in and out and will be here until he retires. Same with Arenado, then they move onto the HOF as Redbirds, especially if they can win a WS with the birds on the bat. Similar deal to Rolen. Played somewhere else, but the best years and championships hopefully are here.
They win the Central by 10 games and make a deep push into the playoffs. NL Championship bound.
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Wow Dawg...win by 10?
Holy chit dude, that ain't happening....but hope you're right.
There's some "experts" picking the Brewers to win the Central.
Dying to see how they handle the Walker-O'Neil-Noot-Carlson outfield.
I said Walker might be a ROY candidate but you know what it's not a given RIGHT NOW he starts up here on opening day. He WILL NOT BE up in the bigs for the DH role. They will play him in triple A before he sits around up here in the bigs. He either makes it on the starting 9 or he'll be kept down. Sportsmn might be right on O'Neil....he might get moved.
Hope MO makes the right decision on this...God Help Us.
It's a good club...lots of talented moving parts.....injuries will surely be a part of all of this....it's why I'm actually intrigued come opening day.
That and the Blues are....for the first time in years....on sabbatical.
(Aside from a exciting summer of draft/trades.)
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I'm still chest deep in hockey but can't help but hear the chatter on what this team has/has not been doing.
This chit with Contreras what the hell is going on? Is he Mo's straw man?
Anyway I guess they're back to some winning baseball for now.........
Looking forward to tuning in in August as usual ...I think........but from a distance this club seems as goofy as the day is long.....
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I'm still chest deep in hockey but can't help but hear the chatter on what this team has/has not been doing.
This chit with Contreras what the hell is going on? Is he Mo's straw man?
Anyway I guess they're back to some winning baseball for now.........
Looking forward to tuning in in August as usual ...I think........but from a distance this club seems as goofy as the day is long.....
The pitching ERA for both starting pitchers and relievers was worse when Contraras was moved to the DH........perhaps our pitching just forking sucks as$. I mean we spend like $9 in the offseason to upgrade it. Mo was too busy remodeling the executive suites or ballpark village or some other BS.....instead of going after some real quality pitching. Seems everyone wanted the outfielders we have........who currently reside on the DL. Mo will have to get some better pitching in the rotation at this rate before July. The seem to have pulled their heads out of their asses and have things going in the right direction. Instead of a dozen games out of first and sitting like the Royals year after year, they cut that distance in half. 8-2 run in their last 10 games. Arenado is a big part of this team. He was struggling and the rest of them weren't picking up the slack. He seems to be back on track, so I think they move up into the leading part of the division soon. One more win and they are tied for 3rd. Two wins and they move into 3rd alone. Shitsburg was red hot. They are 3-7 in the last 10. Weather is getting hot and so are the bats. Lets see where they sit around June 1.
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Dawg I believe it is impossible for you to discuss the Redbirds without mentioning the Royals.. 
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Some of these games recent run totals .....I'm tellin ya this team might be goofy.
Sure love the hitting but the D and some pitching.....that's how you win a ring.
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Some of these games recent run totals .....I'm tellin ya this team might be goofy.
Sure love the hitting but the D and some pitching.....that's how you win a ring.
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Dawg I believe it is impossible for you to discuss the Redbirds without mentioning the Royals..
I just like to remind the westside folks of the misery they live with year after year with their New Money ballclub. I'm reminded of the 1985 win several times a week when I drive past that ballpark, and wonder every time how I could install an asterisk behind the 1985
It could be worse. You could be a Deadspin writer who was happy to see the Cardinals in last place and laughing daily about it......only to wake up and see the Cardinals ahead of the Flubs now. All is right in the world. Cards are ahead of the Flubs and surging, while the Flubs are heading to their June Swoon.
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On one hand it is frustrating to see a Cardinals team with this much talent be so bad. On the other, it frees up a lot of time for other things when they are playing...
I'm thinking Marmol is over his head and this team knows it. It was on full display in last year's playoffs and the lack of fundamentals this team displays reminds me of a Matheny team. I'm not calling for his head but it may be time to move on and find the Craig Berube of baseball. A historic turnaround is about the only hope...
And who would have ever guessed the O'Neill would be injured? Shocking, just plain shocking. I just thought he would be as successful as all of the other musclebound stars throughout the history of MLB. Who would have guessed that bench pressing 400 lbs. and squatting 900 lbs. would be a hinderance to the flexibility needed to play baseball?
We do have the NHL Draft to look forward to later this month... 
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What a year this has been.
I usually start to tune in about now for a competitive Aug-Sept but uh oh.
Had to laugh this morning listening to the chatter on potential dumping of Contreras.
hahahaha....omg....95 million.
I know one thing for sure...I'm sick of hearing Mo blabber..... and not just Contreras...on all of it.....it's his own mess.
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What a year this has been.
I usually start to tune in about now for a competitive Aug-Sept but uh oh.
Had to laugh this morning listening to the chatter on potential dumping of Contreras.
hahahaha....omg....95 million.
I know one thing for sure...I'm sick of hearing Mo blabber..... and not just Contreras...on all of it.....it's his own mess.
I'm not even sure why MO went out to get Contreras.......it's like he panicked with Molina going away to coach basketball. They paid $95 million to a career .257 Hitter who might give ya 20 HR a season. His errors and passed balls are some of the highest in baseball. He has flashed of greatness with his catching, but his hitting is not much of an upgrade from Molina. He is the catcher equivalent of Jayson Heyward. The Shitcago media hype them up to be the next best thing.
Knizner and Herrera were great options to play catcher, and we already had them under contract. Herrera has shown great promise in AAA and hit well so far at the big club level. He is ready now to play, and they spend $95 M over 6 years with a buyout in 2028. That's a ton of cash that could have been used on a starting pitcher, when 2 guys could have taken over the duties.
Knizner in half the number of games has a higher BA, and nearly the same amount of HR's for $1 million a year. He isn't a FA until 2026, so he is under control for a while, with arbitration. The Contreras signing made no damn sense, which is on Par for most of what MO does these days.
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Post Dispatch needs to hire you and Ragnar………all they have is cheerleaders
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sold my business in april and with it, the cable subscription.
i used the cable subscription to stream the bally sports on the roku at home.
you can't get the cardinals thru bally sports streaming service, only the forkin royals, so haven't watched many games and the ones i've listened to, i'm not sorry to have missed them
marmol seems to have napoleon syndrome and appears to be way in over his head.
team lacks leadership at the top (marmol & mozeliak) and it shows.
i think marmol had success last year because he had yadi & bert to lead for him, plus marmol inherited a decently ran lineup from the previous manager (can't remember his name now)
look at matheny and his first couple years of managing after larussa left.. pretty good years and then went to chit
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Seems like a pretty good summary of the team and the season
Maybe they can find a team to roll over and let Wainright get to 200 and retire
Opposing batters have been teeing off when he has pitched
Pitching has not been a strength by a long shot
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Seems like a pretty good summary of the team and the season
Maybe they can find a team to roll over and let Wainright get to 200 and retire
Opposing batters have been teeing off when he has pitched
Pitching has not been a strength by a long shot
And just like that, Waino gets 199 Tuesday and they throw a shutout last night…
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Obviously one of life’s mysteries
Regardless…….
.445 winning % upside is there are only 8 or 9 teams ahead of them for a Wild Card slot
Pray for lightning
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they surpassed 63 wins so they're guaranteed to not lose a hunnert...
when the entire starting pitching sucks (plus most of the relievers), gotta start looking hard at the pitching philosophy and coaches...
heard an interview with David Eckstein earlier in the year. he was talking about how a lot of the players in the mlb have their own "private" hitting coaches these days, so the mlb club hitting coaches are trying to take what the private coaches are emphasizing, and trying to apply it daily on their own, within the club's philosophy.. what a chit show.. no wonder there's so much dysfunction
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Waino pitches 7 shutout innings like its 2012 or something. Finally #200 and over 2200 K's. I'd say a damn fine career. He will get some Cooperstown votes when he ends it all, but I don't think he gets the 75% needed to get in. Time will tell. It will be a long damn time before we see another pitcher get to 200 wins.
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Will be interesting to see if they keep Goldy.
He's getting up there....I don't see him as part of a rebuild but I do see what they can get for him can be.
What an under performing team this one was.
How does Mo get away with this??
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How does Mo get away with this??
He has compromising photos of the DeWitt son with farm animals is what I heard... 
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